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Hal Niedzviecki's avatar

just got this via email, i think it pretty much incapsulates the left's position ie. we should erase all symbols of jewishness forever because gaza.

"The Israeli flag (?and by extension, the Star of David?) is an extremely divisive symbol that many connect to demonstrating support for genocide, especially after the past 20 months of Israel and the IDF committing non-stop military atrocities and imposing starvation as a weapon against an entire population."

Banning the Israeli flag should be a big nothingburger, but instead, for some reason it is still permitted all over the place in Canada.

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Bob Armstrong's avatar

People have beaten me to this point, but when I go to the beach and I see a big extended family filled with babies, toddlers, grade schoolers, teens, parents and grandparents, grilling amazing-smelling skewered meat and perhaps listening to some really catchy dance music they don't tend to look very pale-skinned to me.

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Hal Niedzviecki's avatar

make it make sense!

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Dorian's avatar

I can vision a not-so-distant Canada where all new school board hires must be non-white, non-binary, and they must each express a unique sexual deviance or fetish in order to qualify.

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Bob Armstrong's avatar

That five-pointed graphic on how Palestine connects it all is kind of interesting this week when Greta is heading home after her boat trip. How, precisely, does Palestine connect to the need to de-carbonize our economy and our agricultural, transportation and home-heating systems? . . . Bueller?

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Hal Niedzviecki's avatar

Apparently the Jews are not only doing genocide (on a population that is nevertheless somehow growing) but are also poisoning the environment and participating in, wait for it, capitalism. next they will poison the wells and drink the blood of our children.

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Meghan Bell's avatar

"Family" is a "white" thing?! Honestly, I'm so confused as to how the concept of "white" has evolved. When I was a kid, when I thought about "white" people, I was thinking about Western and Northern Europeans and their descendants (WASPs) and I thought they were way LESS family-oriented than almost everyone else. My Southern Italian family is way more family-oriented than my WASP family, but I guess they stopped being "wops" and "dagos" at some point and are now considered "white" (albeit with olive skin)? It's unclear. But it's just wild to me that anyone could consider family to be a "white" ideal.

I wish in 2020 everyone had read Nell Irvin Painter's "The History of White People" instead of that stupid "White Fragility" book.

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Hal Niedzviecki's avatar

white doesn’t exist, whiteness doesn’t exist, it’s all just made up nonsense. is it useful to think in terms of who is white or not? so far i think it’s just made whatever racial tensions there might be in our society worse…

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Meghan Bell's avatar

I think the history is still relevant (though hopefully will be increasingly less so) but I agree that the whole concept of "whiteness" and arguments about what that means and who is and isn't have always been toxic and continue to be. Painter's book is really good.

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Hal Niedzviecki's avatar

I really just don't even get what they are saying at this point. Family is bad because it represses individual identity (not necessarily true, but whatever), and yet other woke left graphics talk about how "whiteness" is all about the rapacious individual at the expense of the collective. it doesn't make sense because the whole movement is just a bunch of nonsense gibberish, propaganda doesn't have to make sense!

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Meghan Bell's avatar

Yeah, I guess. But claiming that "family" is a "white" value strikes me as unusually stupid and offensive.

I have mixed feelings on the whole topic of race and "whiteness" on the left, as I do think there is a valid and important conversation to be had about the history of "white" (ie WASP / Germanic) supremacy and the impact of Western and Northern European colonization and culture -- my Substack has many essays about how Germanic parenting styles are largely a cause of the mental health crises we see today.

But when all Europeans are categorized as "white", that discussion starts to make zero sense. Not all Europeans were colonizers, many historically fall far more under the "colonized" label (e.g. the Irish) or were the poor, uneducated, violent, swarthy undesirables less than a century ago (e.g. the Southern Italians). And, of course, it makes little sense to call Jews "white". It's all distorted; too many people talking about this stuff know too little about history.

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Edward Parker's avatar

Indeed. When I was a child of two bitterly divorced white parents, it was the apparently stable intact families around me that I envied, and families of colour often provided the best examples of that.

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